Real Country Music (Outlaws and a few others)


Real Country Music (Outlaws and a few others)

This group is for followers, fans, or performers, of true country music. Most, not all, but most of today's so-called country is anything but country. This is a group to discuss true, pure country music.

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Comment by Kurt Fortmeyer on July 12, 2014 at 9:12am

"(A Man Can't Live On) Beer Alone" ...featuring harmony vocals by Tracy Lawrence's bandleader, his (now former) bass player, a guitar player from Gary Allan's band, the pedal steel player from Blake Shelton's band, the drummer from Montgomery Gentry, and a piano player who has worked with Lee Roy Parnell and Michael Martin Murphey (among many others). It just goes to show that, left to their own devices, a lot of the top players in Nashville still love to honky tonk.

Comment by Tim M. Otto on December 29, 2013 at 12:56pm

Just finished an Artist Profile on a guy I met twice: Townes Van Zandt. The title is: "My Friend Townes." I considered Townes to be an outlaw of the highest order although a bit of an outsider artist in his early years, he turned out to be a huge living legend! Always controversial, always Poetic and consumer of liquid spirits on and off stage. Townes was just a great guy. Hope you read my blog.

Comment by Tim M. Otto on November 27, 2012 at 11:30am

I am very familiar with The Eagle's version of the song. Never heard J.D.'s but I am a big fan of his as well. The decision you speak of was probably made in England by Producer Glyn Johns. Often it is the Producer who makes the final decision on arrangements etc. I'm sure J.D. is just happy to get the royalties. An Eagles cut is worth pure gold!

Comment by OkieWolf on November 27, 2012 at 10:37am

Hey there fellars and fellarettes. It's been a while but I've been busy writing tons of songs.

I happened upon something today that, once again, caused me to start thinking....and once again, me thinking is a scary thing  :-). The song I'm going to talk about isn't a country song per se but the meaning of what I'm trying to get at still pertains.

My mom's side of the family are direct blood descendants of Bill Doolin. Their name is still Doolin even. If you don't know who Bill Doolin is, or the Daltons, see here. So, I was listening to the Eagles version of the song Doolin-Dalton this morning just because I like the song and it sort of represents some of my family....sort of. But then I realized that the song was actually written by J.D. Souther, as well as a lot of other Eagles hits. But his original version is noticeably different from the Eagles version. So that got me to thinking. Why is the Eagles version different than the original? The answer of course is marketability, or rather somebody's idea of what is marketable and what isn't. But both versions convey the very same message. They have almost identical chord progressions. So why the variation from the way the song was written? J.D. Souther is obviously no slouch when it comes to songwriting so why did some music exec, or the Eagles themselves, decide that J.D.'s version wasn't marketable enough to record the way it was? After all, it's just one person's opinion over another. Who's to say that if they had recorded it the way J.D. wrote it that it wouldn't have been as big of a hit? Personally I like J.D.'s version better. The same thing happens to a lot of songs. It happened with Kris Kristofferson's song "Sunday Morning Coming Down" that was a hit song for Johnny Cash. Johnny's version is not the way Kris wrote it. It's fairly close but they aren't the same.

So, why does this happen? Why does one person's opinion about how marketable a song is trump the original writer of a particular song? Who's to say who is right? I personally believe that the original songwriter's version and vision of the song should stand on it's own without outside interference from anybody else. But of course I'm biased because I'm a songwriter.

Any thoughts?

Comment by Tim M. Otto on August 25, 2012 at 1:17pm

Off the "Outlaw" cover I only saw Waylon once in about 1976. He was playing in Seattle with the classic Waylon Outlaw sound. He never said a word to the audience...just let the music do the talking.

I saw Willie once in Portland in about 1982 or so. He was great! Classic Willie.

Never got to see Tom Paul or Jessie Colter live sadly. Love that 1970's Outlaw sound.   

Comment by Scott N McLeod on April 14, 2012 at 11:22am

Thanks for the explantion of country as I too was born in the country worked on my family farm and milked cows, worked the land and now still live in the same house I grew up in and even though the cows are gone (over ten years now) father wanted to retire and I took a job in the city and completely noticed the difference! I know people who think they are country because they "moved out here" but are not -  they only live in the country with all their city ideals and thoughts. I do drive a truck to work and it hauls wood, fencing supplies and big round bales for the horses we have. I have a re-useable shopping bag in my truck filled with music and oddly enough mostly country or alt country music. I listen to Whiskeytown, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, The Far West, Jeffrey Foucault, John Prine, Tom T Hall, Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt,Flying Burrito Brothers, Luther Wright and the Wrongs, Daniel Romano and some others as well, great thread and thank you!

Comment by Barry Garneau on December 10, 2011 at 4:06pm

A friend of mine who has spent her life in dance and started early in the Creative Music Studio here in town (a site worth learning what they are doing) when asked how could she tell whether the real, the magnificent tango had just been danced she said "It's impossible to describe, but you know it when you see it". On many levels I hear the real from the unreal the honest from the dishonest country. These days it seems a lot of people from different cultures, and who used to "hate country music" asked of me as now they truly want to know what it is that makes me stop in the middle of a sentence  when the right words are said,  clutch my heart at a pedal steel line, groan and have my breath taken away by two voices in heavenly or down in the digging dirt harmony. It often was in the general public that comparisons were made of good music to sexual experiences or making love; now as often as not they are spiritual in nature. Can't describe it but know when you've just experienced the Mystery.

Comment by OkieWolf on June 2, 2011 at 12:25pm
Oh it's still very much alive and damn pissed off !!
Comment by Wes Edwards on April 23, 2011 at 7:12am

Comment by OkieWolf on January 17, 2011 at 2:47pm

            Hi folks. I’ve been thinking again. I know I know, it’s a scary thing for me too. I’m sort of reluctant to continue this because I’m not really sure how to approach it. I’m relatively sure it will offend somebody somehow but my interest in this subject is strong enough to pursue it. So, when all else fails, just say it.

            I will say this though, try to remain civilized, mature, and respectful and I will too. There’s no reason we can’t discuss this reasonably.

            I’ve always been very curious as to what draws one person to another, in particular an audience to a performer. What is it about a performer that can cause a person, or group of people, to be so enthralled and infatuated? They will even go so far as to fight about it. When I was playing full time I had many fans, as I’m sure most of you have too. Even now that I’m not on stage all the time, I still have many fans. And again, I’m sure most of you do too. And these are people I don’t even know and have never met in person. But, why? What has any performer ever done to deserve such admiration and accolades? Is it just the act itself of being brave enough to get up in front of many people and expose a little of your inner self in a song? Is it that we can do that and they can’t? It certainly isn’t because we are the greatest that ever was at singing or playing the guitar or whatever. Many times, just the song itself can provoke deep emotion. But, when that type song is coupled with great musicians and a from-the-heart singer, it can be life-altering for some people. But that’s just one song and is not what I’m getting at. People attach themselves to performers. They believe in that performer like no other and will believe just about anything they say, sing, or play. Why?

            Now that I’ve posed that question, I want to go deeper. I did a blog a few days ago regarding home recordings and got some good feedback and advice that I intend to implement and try. But, since then I’ve had conversations and read forum topics on that subject and also on emotional vocalization in a song. That got me thinking and eventually brought me to this subject.

            Although my main theme here will be mainstream music and performers, it has to do with everybody that has anything to do with music. The root of all this is that I want to understand why some mainstream performers get awards of every sort, sell millions of albums, have sold-out shows, make millions of dollars, and have screaming, half crazed fans all clamoring for even a brief glimpse of their favorite performer, while other performers who are obviously MUCH more talented get very little airplay and are relegated to relative obscurity in what amounts to a musical “Death Valley”. It seems to me that if a performer is contributing positively to the collective good of his/her genre, they should be allowed to continue and receive the same airtime and awards as anyone else. Why should they be cut from the mix? It makes no sense. It seems in the music industry these days, performers of legendary status are forced down and denied their rightful place in the spotlight. If they are still able to perform then they should be allowed to and be billed right up there with the top sellers, but they aren’t. They have to play places that hold maybe 1/100th of the quantity of people they once performed for. It’s sickening.

            It’s also sickening to think about the fact that music of today is just not what it once was or what it should be. With technology comes laziness. People are always figuring out how to do more and more with less and less but never seem to care about the costs involved. We can synthetically reproduce practically any sound imaginable, but do we really want to? You lose all the intricate nuances of live performance by a human being when artificially reproduced. I’m not referring to home recordings or small studio recordings. I’m talking about the supposed “upper echelon” of the music industry.  They have multitudes of musicians at their disposal but readily utilize synthetic sources when possible. That has a lot to do with what we hear, or don’t hear, these days. Rather than paying a musician to participate in a recording, they can just as easily use sampling or other means to attain the required part. I’m not saying they always do that, but it happens. And for me, that degrades the quality rather than improve it.

            Hang in there, this will come full circle momentarily. So, what is it that drives people to be fanatics? By the way, that’s where the term “fan” came from. It’s short for fanatic. Merriam-Webster defines fanatic as “marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion”. So, there you go, “uncritical devotion”.  That’s what I was saying before. Essentially this means that when someone is a “fan” of a performer, they are unconditionally devoted to them, regardless of whether that devotion is rational or not. However, we all know there are varying degrees of fanaticism. But, I often wonder what motivates some people.

            If we are honest with ourselves, we know that there are plenty of high level mainstream performers that honestly just don’t have it and should not be in the lime light they are in. There are even others that shouldn’t even be in the music business at all. At this point, I will refrain from referring to specific performers because I don’t want this to turn into an argument over who is the better no-talent. You will note however, that throughout this blog I have continually referred to them as “performers” rather than artists or entertainers. These people are performers….period. They simply appear on stage, similar to a dancing chicken with a hot plate under it. So, with that being said, what causes “fans” to be attracted to these type people when some of these performers these days blatantly get on stage and play the wrong notes, sing off key, play out of time, etc etc.? If somebody continually gets on stage and cranks out amazing guitar solos or just has an amazing voice, then I can see why people would like that and be attracted to it. But, when that isn’t the case…..why? Is it that the performer has been marketed in such a way that it draws in lots of people? Is it that people are so gullible that if television and radio says it’s good then it must be? Are people tone deaf? I would agree that a lot of the songs are good songs but then get butchered by the performer. But, maybe it’s the message in the song. But, don’t people realize that a lot of performers don’t write their own songs? What is going on? There used to be an unspoken “code of ethics” in music that said if you can’t play, don’t. If you can’t sing, don’t. That doesn’t seem to be the case many times in mainstream music these days.

            I just don’t understand this type of strange behavior. I just don’t get why somebody would gravitate to a performer who is obviously significantly musically challenged. I also don’t understand how these performers get to the levels they are. It just makes no sense.

           That’s why independent music and musicians are taking over! But, the mainstreamers are “supposed” to be the best of the best. But, obviously that isn’t true in a lot of cases. This seems to hold true no matter what genre or age group. So, what goes through peoples minds when they select these people to idolize?


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